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["Frans Waanders" <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>]

I will be delighted if someone else wants to organize ISIAME as I
totally disagree with everyone about the organization - we booked the
venue on request in Cape Town 2 years ago and at the deadline of
abstract acceptance only 11 people have paid and registered. Furthermore
many "invited speakers" wanted discounts on the fees and without help
from companies as sponsors this was not possible.I learned a good lesson
and lost a lot of money due to the non commitment of the Mössbauer
community but as Dubiel says I will take the blameFrans Waanders


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message
--------From: Stanislaw Dubiel 
<Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>
 Date:
06/23/2016  20:28  (GMT+01:00) To: Frans Waanders
<Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>,
 
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk,
 
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu,
edson AT cce.ufes.br,
 
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch,
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn,
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu,
aderbal47 AT gmail.com,
 
stevensjohng AT gmail.com,
 
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl,
reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at,
 
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru,
Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be,
 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu,
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il,
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn,
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru,
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp,
 
lttt AT physics.by,
kbr AT saao.ac.za,
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com,
 
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk,
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp,
 
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn,
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za,
klingel AT uni-mainz.de,
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de,
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it,
 
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr,
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz,
libor.machala AT upol.cz,
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu,
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za,
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za,
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
 Cc: 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
 Subject:
ISIAME2016/Stanislaw 
Hello everyone,

I do not know how Frans counts the paid-up attendees. In my case, I
wanted to pay the fee several days ago (the deadline for the reduced fee
is 1-st July) but no response received from Frans on the question on the
bank account to which the money should be transferred. 
I can imagine that this was not an exception. Furthermore, many people
have funds just for one foreign conference, so they have to make their
decision on the choice of the conference well in advance. Unfortunately,
the organisation of the ISIAME 2016 was very bad i.e. Despite Frans had
4 years to prepare the conference it was not sure until recently whether
or not the conference will take place at all. So I do not wonder that
the interest in the ISIAME 2016 was so low. Therefore, Frans is the only
one who takes the responsibility for the failure. Now, instead of trying
to co-operate with some people who want to solve the problem e. g.
Krish, he buries his head into sand!
It seems that he is unable to organise the ISIAME, so I suggest that we
ask people from the Czech Republic (Olomouc University) to organise this
conference next year (The wanted to organizes this conference this year,
but the decision of the  ISIAME Committee made in Dalian - 2012 - was
(unfortunately) in favour of Frans).

Greetings Stanislaw Dubiel


Stanislaw M. Dubiel, MSc, PhD, DSc, FInstPhys
Professor of Physics
Faculty of Physics & Applied Computer Science
AGH University of Science & Technology
al. A. Mickiewicza 30, 30-059 Krakow
Poland
tel: +48 12 617 2973
fax: + 48 12 634 0010
e-mail: 
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl
>>> "Frans Waanders"  23.06.16 20:23 >>>

Thanks for your effort KrishThe venue is not the problem. Raquel even
asked the price for 40 people and we had only 11 paid-up attendees at
the time I had to decide. We have far to little abstracts and with less
than 30 abstracts I still do not see the use of carrying on- I extended
the deadline for abstracts with 1 month with hardly any additional ones
submitted.  Please do not blame me for this as I sent out various notes
without responseKrish I think nobody will want to travel every day to
Ithemba labs making attendance even smaller.I am currently in Namibia at
a mine with limited contact until 1 JulyI only had limited support from
all and rather noSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------From: Krish Bharuth-Ram
<kbr AT saao.ac.za>
 Date: 06/20/2016  18:43  (GMT+01:00) To: Frans Waanders
<Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>,
 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za,
 
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk,
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu,
 
edson AT cce.ufes.br,
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch,
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn,
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu,
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl,
 
aderbal47 AT gmail.com,
stevensjohng AT gmail.com,
 
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl,
 Michael Reissner
<reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>,
 
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru,
 Guido Langouche
<Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>,
 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu,
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il,
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn,
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru,
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp,
 
lttt AT physics.by,
kbr AT saao.ac.za,
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com,
 
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk,
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp,
 
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn,
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za,
klingel AT uni-mainz.de,
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de,
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it,
 
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr,
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz,
libor.machala AT upol.cz,
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu,
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za,
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za,
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
 Subject: Re: AW: ISIAME2016 

>>> "Krish Bharuth-Ram"  2016-06-20T19:43:22.080483 >>>

  
    
  
  
    Dear Frans

      Following the email from Guido and Michael perhaps you may wish to
      re-consider the decision to cancel the conference.

      I had long ago suggested iThemba LABS as a venue, where we could
      have got the auditorium (able to seat 200) at no cost together
      with good space for poster sessions, as well a conference
      secretariat.

      

      I could call the Director tomorrow and discuss availability, etc.

      

      Please let me know asap.

      

      Kind regards

      Krish.

      

      On 2016/06/20 06:52 PM, Michael Reissner wrote:

    
    
      
      
      
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        Dear Frans,
         
        I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that I
            understand your decision to cancel the symposion. A
              cancellation 1 year in advance might be ok, but not 10
              weeks before the start. For you the cancellation might be
              the easiest way, but you forget that people have paid a
              lot of money in advance, which they will not get back.
              E.g. I have paid the flight for me and my wife, who I
              wanted to take with me, some months ago. I cannot cancel
              this flight. I also booked the hotel for us. Hopefully we
              can cancel this. As this would have been my first time in
              South Africa, I have booked a pre-conference tour for us,
              which I also cannot cancel without loosing a lot of money.
              I am sure that I am not the only one who has such
              problems.
         
        I do not know what you have expected. In my
            opinion I have expected in best case 60 participants. What
            about the South African Mössbauer community? Are they not
            involved or interested in this conference?
         
        In principle such small conferences are much
            easier and cheaper than a conference with 200 people. A
            small lecture hall at the university or even a seminar room
            at the institute is enough. Coffee can be prepared and
            served by students or secretary. This all is usually for
            nothing. By the way ISIAME at Budapest was organized very
            well in that way. I never understood, why organization of
            conference are nowadays always given to some agencies and
            are hold in hotels, where you have to pay a lot for the
            infrastructure. 
         
        You wonder that you have only 11 registrations
            up to now, but I have to remind you that the deadline even
            for the early bird registration is July 1st.  You
            had a long list of invited talks. I suppose that everyone
            has confirmed to come. A cancellation of 2 is not large
            number.
         
        I am not astonished that you could not find
            sponsors for this small meeting. I only wonder that you seem
            to have calculated with sponsorship money. Such money should
            never be part of the budget calculation. If it comes, it
            should be used to support people to come to the conference.
         
        In 2009 I have organized ICAME. We expected ,
            due to preregistration 400 participants. Due to the
            economical crisis 2008, all sponsors and a lot of colleagues
            cancelled their participation. At the end we had ca. 250
            people. Nevertheless we could run the conference, because
            with some reductions and because in my budget I have only
            assumed 150 full paying participants. More serious was ICAME
            2011 in Japan, because after Fukushima nobody wanted to
            come. For the organizers it was very serious, but they never
            thought on cancellation of the conference.
         
        It is also a very bad sign for future
            conferences. If one cannot trust, that the organizer will do
            everything that the conference can take place, many will be
            very cautious to plan a partizipation, even when invited.
         
        I understand that you are disappointed about
            “no interest”. But there are some people who were
            interested, who are now alienated. I would have expected
            that you cancel your contract and look on really cheap
            solution, eg. at the university, which can be covered by the
            registration fee.
         
        Only to mention, there was a few weeks ago msms
            conference with only 30 participants. But people say it was
            very good program and interesting discussions.
         
        I hope this is not the end of the series of
            ISIAME conferences.
         
        Best regards
         
        Michael
        
           
        
        Asoc.Prof.Dr.Michael Reissner
        TU Wien 
        Institute of Solid State Physics
        Wiedner
            Hauptstrasse 8-10
        1040  
                  Wien
        AUSTRIA
         
        Phon:
            +43 1 58801 13772
               
         
         
        
          
            Von:
                Frans Waanders 
[mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za]
 

                Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2016 20:58

                An: 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za;
 
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk;
                
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu;
 
edson AT cce.ufes.br;
                
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch;
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn;
                
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn;
 
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn;
                
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu;
                
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl;
 
aderbal47 AT gmail.com;
                
stevensjohng AT gmail.com;
 
haflidi AT hi.is;
                
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl;
 
reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at;
                
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru;
 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu;
                
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il;
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn;
                
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru;
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp;
                
lttt AT physics.by;
 
kbr AT saao.ac.za;
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com;
                
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk;
 
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp;
                
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn;
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za;
                
klingel AT uni-mainz.de;
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de;
                
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it;
                
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr;
 
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr;
                
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr;
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz;
                
libor.machala AT upol.cz;
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu;
                
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za;
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za;
                
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za

                Betreff: ISIAME2016
          
        
         
        
          
            Dear all
          
          
            It is with regret that
                I have to cancel the upcoming ISIAME2016 symposium that
                was to be held in the Lagoon beach Hotel Cape Town
          
          
             
          
          
            The main reason to me
                is the lack of interest;
          
          
            We have at the
                deadline for abstracts (today) only received 27
                abstracts of which 7 are to be presented as posters. I
                have extended the deadline for abstracts with a month
                and only a few extra abstracts were submitted, mainly in
                the last 2 days.  Some of the Invited speakers have not
                yet sent any abstract and others have sent more than one
                but due to financial constraints only one person can
                come and 2 Invited speakers have canceled their
                contributions due to legitimate reasons. I used the mix
                email as well as some 180 names I had on the lists of
                persons that attended ISIAME in the past of which only a
                handful responded and I am trying to answers each person
                that has sent an email regarding ISIAME2016
          
          
            At this stage we only
                have 11 paid registered persons for the conference.
          
          
             
          
          
            The next problem is
                funding:
          
          
            Some people suggested
                that the conference venue is very expensive but the
                request was made  in China that we should hold it in
                Cape Town and both Raquel and myself looked for the
                cheapest option and clearly from the registration fee it
                is not that expensive.  For the Pittsburgh Coal
                Conference (to be held in August 2016 in Cape Town) the
                registration fee is $800 and we have over 200
                participants already from all over the world.  We wanted
                more than 300 for this conference but clearly the
                economic atmosphere must play a role.
          
          
             
            Sponsorship:
            A successfull
                conference or symposium is based on sound sponsorship.
                 I have obtained sponsorship from my own universit            
    euro3000 from my own research funding and did not
                receive any sponsorship from overseas or Moessbauer
                industrial persons.  I paid the initial deposit with
                this money and today was the deadline of paying the next
                deposit or we will incur fines. We spoke with the people
                from the venue and they were prepared to not charge us a
                fine for cancellation and even suggested we reduce the
                amount of delegates to 40 without additional costs and
                cheaper rates - thanks to all the efforts by Raquel. 
          
          
             
          
          
            I had many discussions
                with Raquel who assisted me on the whole organization of
                the symposium and it is her experience and my believe
                that with 11 registered delegates to date we will not
                have even have 40 people in the next month or so to have
                the symposium going further - let alone in the next day!
          
          
             
          
          
            I am thus very sorry
                for people who have already payed or booked flights but
                the registration fees will be paid back as soon as
                possible
          
          
             
          
          
            I am very sad to have
                made this announcement but I am not prepared or able to
                carry any extra costs and I trust that everybody will
                understand my reasoning and final decission
          
          
            Frans
          
           
          
            
              
                
                  
                    
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