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["Stanislaw Dubiel" <Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>]

Hello everyone,

I do not know how Frans counts the paid-up attendees. In my case, I
wanted to pay the fee several days ago (the deadline for the reduced fee
is 1-st July) but no response received from Frans on the question on the
bank account to which the money should be transferred. 
I can imagine that this was not an exception. Furthermore, many people
have funds just for one foreign conference, so they have to make their
decision on the choice of the conference well in advance. Unfortunately,
the organisation of the ISIAME 2016 was very bad i.e. Despite Frans had
4 years to prepare the conference it was not sure until recently whether
or not the conference will take place at all. So I do not wonder that
the interest in the ISIAME 2016 was so low. Therefore, Frans is the only
one who takes the responsibility for the failure. Now, instead of trying
to co-operate with some people who want to solve the problem e. g.
Krish, he buries his head into sand!
It seems that he is unable to organise the ISIAME, so I suggest that we
ask people from the Czech Republic (Olomouc University) to organise this
conference next year (The wanted to organizes this conference this year,
but the decision of the  ISIAME Committee made in Dalian - 2012 - was
(unfortunately) in favour of Frans).

Greetings Stanislaw Dubiel

Stanislaw M. Dubiel, MSc, PhD, DSc, FInstPhys
Professor of Physics
Faculty of Physics & Applied Computer Science
AGH University of Science & Technology
al. A. Mickiewicza 30, 30-059 Krakow
Poland
tel: +48 12 617 2973
fax: + 48 12 634 0010
e-mail: 
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl
>>> "Frans Waanders"  23.06.16 20:23 >>>
Thanks for your effort Krish
The venue is not the problem. Raquel even asked the price for 40 people
and we had only 11 paid-up attendees at the time I had to decide.
 We have far to little abstracts and with less than 30 abstracts I still
do not see the use of carrying on- I extended the deadline for abstracts
with 1 month with hardly any additional ones submitted.  Please do not
blame me for this as I sent out various notes without response
Krish I think nobody will want to travel every day to Ithemba labs
making attendance even smaller.
I am currently in Namibia at a mine with limited contact until 1 July
I only had limited support from all and rather now people angry with me
than a hopeless undersupported symposium
Frans






Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.





-------- Original message --------
From: Krish Bharuth-Ram  
Date: 06/20/2016  18:43  (GMT+01:00) 
To: Frans Waanders , 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za,
 
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk,
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu,
 
edson AT cce.ufes.br,
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch,
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn,
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu,
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl,
 
aderbal47 AT gmail.com,
stevensjohng AT gmail.com,
 
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl,
 Michael Reissner ,
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru,
 Guido Langouche , 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu,
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il,
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn,
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru,
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp,
 
lttt AT physics.by,
kbr AT saao.ac.za,
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com,
 
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk,
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp,
 
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn,
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za,
klingel AT uni-mainz.de,
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de,
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it,
 
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr,
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz,
libor.machala AT upol.cz,
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu,
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za,
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za,
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
 
Subject: Re: AW: ISIAME2016 



>>> "Krish Bharuth-Ram"  2016-06-20T19:43:22.080483 >>>
              Dear Frans
      Following the email from Guido and Michael perhaps you may wish to
     re-consider the decision to cancel the conference.
      I had long ago suggested iThemba LABS as a venue, where we could  
   have got the auditorium (able to seat 200) at no cost together     
with good space for poster sessions, as well a conference     
secretariat.
      
      I could call the Director tomorrow and discuss av      
      On 2016/06/20 06:52 PM, Michael Reissner wrote:
    
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Frans,
         
        I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that I            understand
your decision to cancel the symposion. A              cancellation 1
year in advance might be ok, but not 10              weeks before the
start. For you the cancellation might be              the easiest way,
but you forget that people have paid a              lot of money in
advance, which they will not get back.              E.g. I have paid the
flight for me and my wife, who I              wanted to take with me,
some months ago. I cannot cancel              this flight. I also booked
the hotel for us. Hopefully we              can cancel this. As this
would have been my first time in              South Africa, I have
booked a pre-conference tour for us,              which I also cannot
cancel without loosing a lot of money.              I am sure that I am
not the only one who has such              problems.
         
        I do not know what you have expected. In my            opinion I
have expected in best case 60 participants. What            about the
South African Mössbauer community? Are they not            involved or
interested in this conference?
         
        In principle such small conferences are much            easier
and cheaper than a conference with 200 people. A            small
lecture hall at the university or even a seminar room            at the
institute is enough. Coffee can be prepared and            served by
students or secretary. This all is usually for            nothing. By
the way ISIAME at Budapest was organized very            well in that
way. I never understood, why organization of            conference are
nowadays always given to some agencies and            are hold in
hotels, where you have to pay a lot for the            infrastructure. 
         
        You wonder that you have only 11 registrations            up to
now, but I have to remind you that the deadline even            for the
early bird registration is July 1st.  You            had a long list of
invited talks. I suppose that everyone            has confirmed to come.
A cancellation of 2 is not large            number.
         
        I am not astonished that you could not find            sponsors
for this small meeting. I only wonder that you seem            to have
calculated with sponsorship money. Such money should            never be
part of the budget calculation. If it comes, it            should be
used to support people to come to the conference.
         
        In 2009 I have organized ICAME. We expected ,            due to
preregistration 400 participants. Due to the            economical
crisis 2008, all sponsors and a lot of colleagues            cancelled
their participation. At theNevertheless we could run the conference, because  
          with some
reductions and because in my budget I have only            assumed 150
full paying participants. More serious was ICAME            2011 in
Japan, because after Fukushima nobody wanted to            come. For the
organizers it was very serious, but they never            thought on
cancellation of the conference.
         
        It is also a very bad sign for future            conferences. If
one cannot trust, that the organizer will do            everything that
the conference can take place, many will be            very cautious to
plan a partizipation, even when invited.
         
        I understand that you are disappointed about            “no
interest”. But there are some people who were            interested, who
are now alienated. I would have expected            that you cancel your
contract and look on really cheap            solution, eg. at the
university, which can be covered by the            registration fee.
         
        Only to mention, there was a few weeks ago msms           
conference with only 30 participants. But people say it was           
very good program and interesting discussions.
         
        I hope this is not the end of the series of            ISIAME
conferences.
         
        Best regards
         
        Michael
                   
        
        Asoc.Prof.Dr.Michael Reissner
        TU Wien 
        Institute of Solid State Physics
        Wiedner            Hauptstrasse 8-10
        1040                    Wien
        AUSTRIA
         
        Phon:            +43 1 58801 13772
        FAX: +43 1 58801 9 13772
        Email: 
reissner AT tuwien.ac.at
         
         
         
         
                              Von:                Frans Waanders
[mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za]
 
                Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2016 20:58
                An: 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za;
 
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk;
          
     
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu;
 
edson AT cce.ufes.br;
               
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch;
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn;
               
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn;
 
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn;
               
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu;
               
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl;
 
aderbal47 AT gmail.com;
               
stevensjohng AT gmail.com;
 
haflidi AT hi.is;
               
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl;
 
reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at;
               
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru;
 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu;
               
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il;
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn;
               
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru;
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp;
               
lttt AT physics.by;
 
kbr AT saao.ac.za;
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com;
               
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk;
 
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp;
               
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn;
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za;
               
klingel AT uni-mainz.de;
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de;
               
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it;
               
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr;
 
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr;
               
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr;
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz;
               
libor.machala AT upol.cz;
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu;
               
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za;
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za;
               
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
                Betreff: ISIAME2016
          
        
         
                              Dear all
          
                      It is with regret that                I have to
cancel the upcoming ISIAME2016 symposium that                was to be
held in the Lagoon beach Hotel Cape Town
          
                       
          
                      The main reason to me                is the lack
of interest;
          
                      We have at the                deadline for
abstracts (today) only received 27                abstracts of which 7
are to be presented as posters. I                have extended the
deadline for abstracts with a month                and only a few extra
abstracts were submitted, mainly in                the last 2 days. 
Some of the Invited speakers have not                yet sent any
abfinancial constraints only one person can                come and 2
Invited speakers have canceled their                contributions due to
legitimate reasons. I used the mix                email as well as some
180 names I had on the lists of                persons that attended
ISIAME in the past of which only a                handful responded and
I am trying to answers each person                that has sent an email
regarding ISIAME2016
          
                      At this stage we only                have 11 paid
registered persons for the conference.
          
                       
          
                      The next problem is                funding:
          
                      Some people suggested                that the
conference venue is very expensive but the                request was
made  in China that we should hold it in                Cape Town and
both Raquel and myself looked for the                cheapest option and
clearly from the registration fee it                is not that
expensive.  For the Pittsburgh Coal                Conference (to be
held in August 2016 in Cape Town) the                registration fee is
$800 and we have over 200                participants already from all
over the world.  We wanted                more than 300 for this
conference but clearly the                economic atmosphere must play
a role.
          
                       
            Sponsorship:
            A successfull                conference or symposium is
based on sound sponsorship.                 I have obtained sponsorship
from my own university                (euro800) and from Sasol the same
amount and I used some                euro3000 from my own research
funding and did not                receive any sponsorship from overseas
or Moessbauer                industrial persons.  I paid the initial
deposit with                this money and today was the deadline of
paying the next                deposit or we will incur fines. We spoke
with the people                from the venue and they were prepared to
not charge us a                fine for cancellation and even suggested
we reduce the                amount of delegates to 40 without
additional costs and                cheaper rates - thanks to all the
efforts by Raquel. 
          
                       
          
                      I had many discussions                with Raquel
who assisted me on the whole organization of                the
symposium and it is her experience and my believe                that
with 11 registered delegates to date we will not                have
even have 40 people in the next month or so to have                the
symposium going further - let alone in the next day!
          
                       
          
                      I am thus very sorry                for people who
have already payed or booked flights but                the registration
fees will be paid back as soon as                possible
          
                       
          
                      I am very sad to have                made this
announcement but I am not prepared or able to                carry any
extra costs and I trust that everybody will                understand my
reasoning and final decission
          
                      Frans
          
           
                                                                        
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