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["Frans Waanders" <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>]

Thanks for your effort KrishThe venue is not the problem. Raquel even
asked the price for 40 people and we had only 11 paid-up attendees at
the time I had to decide. We have far to little abstracts and with less
than 30 abstracts I still do not see the use of carrying on- I extended
the deadline for abstracts with 1 month with hardly any additional ones
submitted.  Please do not blame me for this as I sent out various notes
without responseKrish I think nobody will want to travel every day to
Ithemba labs making attendance even smaller.I am currently in Namibia at
a mine with limited contact until 1 JulyI only had limited support from
all and rather now people angry with me than a hopeless undersupported
symposiumFrans


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--------</div><div>From: Krish Bharuth-Ram 
<kbr AT saao.ac.za>
</div><div>Date: 06/20/2016  18:43  (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: Frans
Waanders 
<Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>,
 
raquel AT ap22ude.co.za,
berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk,
 
kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu,
 
edson AT cce.ufes.br,
haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch,
 
sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn,
wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn,
 
lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu,
Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl,
 
aderbal47 AT gmail.com,
stevensjohng AT gmail.com,
 
robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl,
 Michael Reissner
<reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>,
 
vpopov AT imp.uran.ru,
 Guido Langouche
<Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>,
 
mix AT lists.kfki.hu,
israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il,
 
gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn,
mosslab.kz AT mail.ru,
 
yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp,
 
lttt AT physics.by,
kbr AT saao.ac.za,
 
Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com,
 
S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk,
kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp,
 
magnet AT uestc.edu.cn,
 
amulaba AT uj.ac.za,
klingel AT uni-mainz.de,
 
ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de,
massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it,
 
jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr,
jumas AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
lippens AT univ-montp2.fr,
 
jakub.navarik AT upol.cz,
libor.machala AT upol.cz,
 
nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu,
Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za,
 
Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za,
Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
 </div><div>Subject: Re: AW: ISIAME2016
</div><div>
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>>> "Krish Bharuth-Ram" 
>>> <kbr AT saao.ac.za>
>>>  2016-06-20T19:43:22.080483 >>>
Dear Frans
Following the email from Guido and Michael perhaps you may wish to 
re-consider the decision to cancel the conference.
I had long ago suggested iThemba LABS as a venue, where we could have 
got the auditorium (able to seat 200) at no cost together with good 
space for poster sessions, as well a conference secretariat.

I could call the Director tomorrow and discuss availability, etc.

Please let me know asap.

Kind regards
Krish.

On 2016/06/20 06:52 PM, Michael Reissner wrote:
>
> Dear Frans,
>
> I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that I understand your decision to 
> cancel the symposion. A cancellation 1 year in advance might be ok, 
> but not 10 weeks before the start. For you the cancellation might be 
> the easiest way, but you forget that people have paid a lot of money 
> in advance, which they will not get back. E.g. I have paid the flight 
> for me and my wife, who I wanted to take with me, some months ago. I 
> cannot cancel this flight. I also booked the hotel for us. Hopefully 
> we can cancel this. As this would have been my first time in South 
> Africa, I have booked a pre-conference tour for us, which I also 
> cannot cancel without loosing a lot of money. I am sure that I am not 
> the only one who has such problems.
>
> I do not know what you have expected. In my opinion I have expected in

> best case 60 participants. What about the South African Mössbauer 
> community? Are they not involved or interested in this conference?
>
> In principle such small conferences are much easier and cheaper than a

> conference with 200 people. A small lecture hall at the university or 
> even a seminar room at the institute is enough. Coffee can be prepared

> and served by students or secretary. This all is usually for nothing. 
> By the way ISIAME at Budapest was organized very well in that way. I 
> never understood, why organization of c> given to some agencies and are 
> hold in hotels, where you have to pay a

> lot for the infrastructure.
>
> You wonder that you have only 11 registrations up to now, but I have 
> to remind you that the deadline even for the early bird registration 
> is July 1^st .  You had a long list of invited talks. I suppose that 
> everyone has confirmed to come. A cancellation of 2 is not large
number.
>
> I am not astonished that you could not find sponsors for this small 
> meeting. I only wonder that you seem to have calculated with 
> sponsorship money. Such money should never be part of the budget 
> calculation. If it comes, it should be used to support people to come 
> to the conference.
>
> In 2009 I have organized ICAME. We expected , due to preregistration 
> 400 participants. Due to the economical crisis 2008, all sponsors and 
> a lot of colleagues cancelled their participation. At the end we had 
> ca. 250 people. Nevertheless we could run the conference, because with

> some reductions and because in my budget I have only assumed 150 full 
> paying participants. More serious was ICAME 2011 in Japan, because 
> after Fukushima nobody wanted to come. For the organizers it was very 
> serious, but they never thought on cancellation of the conference.
>
> It is also a very bad sign for future conferences. If one cannot 
> trust, that the organizer will do everything that the conference can 
> take place, many will be very cautious to plan a partizipation, even 
> when invited.
>
> I understand that you are disappointed about “no interest”. But there 
> are some people who were interested, who are now alienated. I would 
> have expected that you cancel your contract and look on really cheap 
> solution, eg. at the university, which can be covered by the 
> registration fee.
>
> Only to mention, there was a few weeks ago msms conference with only 
> 30 participants. But people say it was very good program and 
> interesting discussions.
>
> I hope this is not the end of the series of ISIAME conferences.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
> Asoc.Prof.Dr.Michael Reissner
>
> TU Wien
>
> Institute of Solid State Physics
>
> Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10
>
> 1040       Wien
>
> AUSTRIA
>
> Phon: +43 1 58801 13772
>
> FAX: +43 1 58801 9 13772
>
> Email: 
> reissner AT tuwien.ac.at
>
> *Von:*Frans Waanders 
> [mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za]
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2016 20:58
> *An:* 
> raquel AT ap22ude.co.za;
>  
> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk;
>  
> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu;
>  
> edson AT cce.ufes.br;
>  
> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch;
>  
> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn;
>  
> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn;
>  
> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn;
>  
> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu;
>  
> Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl;
>  
> aderbal47 AT gmail.com;
>  
> stevensjohng AT gmail.com;
>  
> haflidi AT hi.is;
>  
> robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl;
>  
> reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at;
>  
> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru;
>  
> mix AT lists.kfki.hu;
>  
> israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il;
>  
> gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn;
>  
> mosslab.kz AT mail.ru;
>  
> yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp;
>  
> lttt AT physics.by;
>  
> kbr AT saao.ac.za;
>  
> Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com;
>  
> S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk;
>  
> kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp;
>  
> magnet AT uestc.edu.cn;
>  
> amulaba AT uj.ac.za;
>  
> klingel AT uni-mainz.de;
>  
> ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de;
>  
> massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it;
>  
> jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr;
>  
> jumas AT univ-montp2.fr;
>  
> lippens AT univ-montp2.fr;
>  
> jakub.navarik AT upol.cz;
>  
> libor.machala AT upol.cz;
>  
> nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu;
>  
> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za;
>  
> Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za;
>  
> Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
> *Betreff:* ISIAME2016
>
> Dear all
>
> It is with regret that I have to cancel the upcoming ISIAME2016 
> symposium that was to be held in the Lagoon beach Hotel Cape Town
>
> The main reason to me is the lack of interest;
>
> We have at the deadline for abstracts (today) only received 27 
> abstracts of which 7 are to be presented as posters. I have extended 
> the deadline for abstracts with a month and only a few extra abstracts

> were submitted, mainly in the last 2 days.  Some of the Invited 
> speakers have not yet sent any abstract and others have sent more than

> one but due to> Invited speakers have canceled their contributions due to 
> legitimate 
> reasons. I used the mix email as well as some 180 names I had on the 
> lists of persons that attended ISIAME in the past of which only a 
> handful responded and I am trying to answers each person that has sent

> an email regarding ISIAME2016
>
> At this stage we only have 11 paid registered persons for the
conference.
>
> The next problem is funding:
>
> Some people suggested that the conference venue is very expensive but 
> the request was made  in China that we should hold it in Cape Town and

> both Raquel and myself looked for the cheapest option and clearly from

> the registration fee it is not that expensive.  For the Pittsburgh 
> Coal Conference (to be held in August 2016 in Cape Town) the 
> registration fee is $800 and we have over 200 participants already 
> from all over the world.  We wanted more than 300 for this conference 
> but clearly the economic atmosphere must play a role.
>
> Sponsorship:
>
> A successfull conference or symposium is based on sound sponsorship. 
>  I have obtained sponsorship from my own university (euro800) and from

> Sasol the same amount and I used some euro3000 from my own research 
> funding and did not receive any sponsorship from overseas or 
> Moessbauer industrial persons.  I paid the initial deposit with this 
> money and today was the deadline of paying the next deposit or we 
> will incur fines. We spoke with the people from the venue and they 
> were prepared to not charge us a fine for cancellation and even 
> suggested we reduce the amount of delegates to 40 without additional 
> costs and cheaper rates - thanks to all the efforts by Raquel.
>
> I had many discussions with Raquel who assisted me on the whole 
> organization of the symposium and it is her experience and my believe 
> that with 11 registered delegates to date we will not have even have 
> 40 people in the next month or so to have the symposium going further 
> - let alone in the next day!
>
> I am thus very sorry for people who have already payed or booked 
> flights but the registration fees will be paid back as soon as
possible
>
> I am very sad to have made this announcement but I am not prepared or 
> able to carry any extra costs and I trust that everybody will 
> understand my reasoning and final decission
>
> Frans
>
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