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[John G Stevens <stevensjohng AT gmail.com>]

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Frans Waanders 
> <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> Thanks for the support Frank. 
> I have spoken today to Raquel again after virtually no contact 
> possibilities the last week. I am in Namibia busy with a project and will 
> have email contact on my mobile phone  until tomorrow evening when I will 
> be back with my student in the field.
> I fully support the idea to keep ISIAME going and will again highlight 
> certain points mentioned previously
> 1. The venue is not the main issue but I had to cancel the Lagoon beach due 
> to lack of funding. Raquel will look into other options when I am still 
> away and will also liase with Krish about Ithemba labs, but I must mention 
> it is some distance away and there is no accomodation at the labs and I 
> think it might be difficult to get everyone there. The hotel costs he 
> mentions is about the same but then we have to organize some transport to 
> and from the venue.
> 2. To have a usefull symposium we need much more abstracts. With the 
> initial deadline we had about 20 and with the extention only a few 
> additional ones came in - that being the main reason for me to suggest 
> cancellation. I am back on 10 July and if we have received at least a much 
> bigger amount to make a worthwhile symposium possible I will be just as 
> happy to get the wheels rolling. To have 30 or so papers (currently about a 
> 3rd as posters) means a 1 day symposium which is just not on for all the 
> expenses one has to pay.
> 3. At the early bird registration up to date only 11 people registered and 
> we need more than 4 to 5 times this amount of registered people to again 
> ensure a worthwhile symposium.
> 4. Raquel is going out of her way to assist and without her help it would 
> not be possible to get the ball rolling again - thanks again.
> I trust this email will help to get everobody on board. It has never been 
> my intention to not let ISIAME go on but I was dissilutioned with the poor 
> respons for everything already done.
> Frans
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Berry 
> <berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>  
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>>
>  
> Date: 06/27/2016 10:59 (GMT+01:00) 
> To: Frans Waanders 
> <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za
>  
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>>,
>  Raquel Richardson 
> <raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
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> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>>,
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> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
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> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>,
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> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu
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> <mailto:kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>,
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> edson AT cce.ufes.br
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> <mailto:edson AT cce.ufes.br>,
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> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
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> <mailto:haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch>,
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> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
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> <mailto:sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn>,
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> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
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> <mailto:taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>,
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> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn
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> <mailto:wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>,
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> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu
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> <mailto:lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu>,
>  'Stanislaw Dubiel' 
> <Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl
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> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>>,
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> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru
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> Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be
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> klingel AT uni-mainz.de
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> jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr
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> jumas AT univ-montp2.fr
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> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za
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> Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za
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> Subject: [Mix] ISIAME 2016 
> 
> 
> >>> "Frank Berry" 2016-06-27T11:59:00.805502 >>>
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> Colleagues
>  
> I am writing because I am becoming concerned with the rhetoric of recent 
> emails and the possible damage to the well-being of our community.
>  
> I recognise the strength of feeling being expressed and do not in any way 
> wish to diminish  the validity of that feeling. I would also make clear 
> that, after returning from MECAME on 6 June, I wrote to Frans explaining 
> that, with regret,  I would not be able to attend ISIAME .
>  
> It seems to me that Frans has tried to fulfil the mandate given him to 
> organise a successful ISIAME in a good location in South Africa but, at a 
> crucial juncture , found the financial liability too great to continue. 
> Colleagues who have made non-refundable financial commitments now face 
> difficulties.  Krish indicated last week the possibility of an alternative 
> venue. Would Krish be willing to explore this and , in collaboration with 
> Frans, find a way forward so that ISIAME could be held in South Africa on 
> the dates originally planned?
>  
> I  would also like to suggest that we as a community give support to Krish 
> and Frans in their attempts to find a way forward. This will not be easy 
> for them and compromise by everyone  might have to be accepted.  I do not 
> think that further expressions of blame will be helpful and I  would 
> encourage us all to act collegiately to resolve a situation which is 
> difficult for many people, albeit in different ways. ISIAME  led by Massimo 
> has a good tradition and it would be most unfortunate if the current 
> difficulties led to its demise and fractures amongst our community.
>  
> With my kindest regards and best wishes
>  
> Frank
>  
>  
>  
> From: Raquel Richardson 
> [mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
>  
> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>]
>  
> Sent: 24 June 2016 10:59
> To: 'Stanislaw Dubiel'; 
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> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
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> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
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> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
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> Subject: RE: ISIAME2016/Stanislaw
>  
> ISIAME Board Members
>  
> There seems to be a lot of emails, blame and personal issues being thrown 
> around.  As a third party not prevalent to all the information, I stand to 
> be corrected about ISIAME Cape Town 2016, but this is how the information 
> is coming across.
>  
> From my initial discussions with Frans, it was mentioned that at the last 
> ISIAME a vote was taken and majority voted South Africa with the provision 
> of majority attending.  On this understanding, Frans set up ISIAME in Cape 
> Town at the Lagoon Beach.  Due to economic downturn and currently the 
> reduction of number of attendants at most conferences / events, he 
> confirmed the numbers at 100 x delegates, which should have been pretty 
> easy to obtain.  
>  
> The concern is that not many people have registered or have shown an 
> interest in attending.  The Lagoon Beach hotel, agreed to cancel the 
> booking without any cancellation fees if done so by mid-June.  If Frans had 
> not done so, there would have been cancellation fees into the hundreds of 
> thousands of Rands… which I assume none of you would have been prepared to 
> account for!  Granted Krish has given an alternative venue, but there are 
> numerous things to consider when hosting a conference, i.e. Affordable 
> accommodation in the area?  Getting to and from the venue? Quality of 
> venue, suppliers, safety, etc.    If South Africa is still a consideration, 
> it is possible to re-evaluate the entire conference and see if its viable.
>  
> From my limited understanding, numbers are not the only issue here.  If you 
> do not have quality and the correct quantity of abstracts and 
> presentations, then your conference will not carry any value.  Only a 
> limited number have been received.  As members of the ISIAME board, where 
> is your cut-off point for the conference?
>  
> As for you Mr Stanislaw Dubiel, you mention below the lack of response to 
> your registration, however you only registered on the  15th June at 18h57pm 
> and Frans sent the email out to cancel the conference shortly after.
>  
> I’ve dealt with several conferences before and in my experience have not 
> seen this type of disjointed animosity.  I would have assumed as the ISIAME 
> board members you would all come together to try come up with a resolution 
> that would work for all.  
>  
> I am here to assist anyway possible with any travel / conference side of 
> ISIAME.
>  
> Kind regards
> Raquel Richardson
> Ap22ude (Pty) Ltd
> Cell: +27 82 509 6485
> Tel: +27 11 475 2750
> Fax: 086 593 7975
> Web: www.ap22ude.co.za <http://www.ap22ude.co.za/>
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> From: Stanislaw Dubiel 
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>  
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>]
>  
> Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2016 9:28 PM
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> lippens AT univ-montp2.fr
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> Cc: 
> raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
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> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>
> Subject: ISIAME2016/Stanislaw
>  
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I do not know how Frans counts the paid-up attendees. In my case, I wanted 
> to pay the fee several days ago (the deadline for the reduced fee is 1-st 
> July) but no response received from Frans on the question on the bank 
> account to which the money should be transferred. 
> I can imagine that this was not an exception. Furthermore, many people have 
> funds just for one foreign conference, so they have to make their decision 
> on the choice of the conference well in advance. Unfortunately, the 
> organisation of the ISIAME 2016 was very bad i.e. Despite Frans had 4 years 
> to prepare the conference it was not sure until recently whether or not the 
> conference will take place at all. So I do not wonder that the interest in 
> the ISIAME 2016 was so low. Therefore, Frans is the only one who takes the 
> responsibility for the failure. Now, instead of trying to co-operate with 
> some people who want to solve the problem e. g. Krish, he buries his head 
> into sand!
> It seems that he is unable to organise the ISIAME, so I suggest that we ask 
> people from the Czech Republic (Olomouc University) to organise this 
> conference next year (The wanted to organizes this conference this year, 
> but the decision of the  ISIAME Committee made in Dalian - 2012 - was 
> (unfortunately) in favour of Frans).
> 
> Greetings Stanislaw Dubiel
> 
> Stanislaw M. Dubiel, MSc, PhD, DSc, FInstPhys
> Professor of Physics
> Faculty of Physics & Applied Computer Science
> AGH University of Science & Technology
> al. A. Mickiewicza 30, 30-059 Krakow
> Poland
> tel: +48 12 617 2973
> fax: + 48 12 634 0010
> e-mail: 
> Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl
>  
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl>
> 
> >>> "Frans Waanders" 23.06.16 20:23 >>>
> Thanks for your effort Krish
> The venue is not the problem. Raquel even asked the price for 40 people and 
> we had only 11 paid-up attendees at the time I had to decide.
>  We have far to little abstracts and with less than 30 abstracts I still do 
> not see the use of carrying on- I extended the deadline for abstracts with 
> 1 month with hardly any additional ones submitted.  Please do not blame me 
> for this as I sent out various notes without response
> Krish I think nobody will want to travel every day to Ithemba labs making 
> attendance even smaller.
> I am currently in Namibia at a mine with limited contact until 1 July
> I only had limited support from all and rather now people angry with me 
> than a hopeless undersupported symposium
> Frans
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> -------- Original message --------
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> Date: 06/20/2016 18:43 (GMT+01:00)
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> Subject: Re: AW: ISIAME2016
>  
> 
> >>> "Krish Bharuth-Ram" 2016-06-20T19:43:22.080483 >>>
> Dear Frans
> Following the email from Guido and Michael perhaps you may wish to 
> re-consider the decision to cancel the conference.
> I had long ago suggested iThemba LABS as a venue, where we could have got 
> the auditorium (able to seat 200) at no cost together with good space for 
> poster sessions, as well a conference secretariat.
> 
> I could call the Director tomorrow and discuss availability, etc.
> 
> Please let me know asap.
> 
> Kind regards
> Krish.
> 
> On 2016/06/20 06:52 PM, Michael Reissner wrote:
> Dear Frans,
>  
> I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that I understand your decision to cancel 
> the symposion. A cancellation 1 year in advance might be ok, but not 10 
> weeks before the start. For you the cancellation might be the easiest way, 
> but you forget that people have paid a lot of money in advance, which they 
> will not get back. E.g. I have paid the flight for me and my wife, who I 
> wanted to take with me, some months ago. I cannot cancel this flight. I 
> also booked the hotel for us. Hopefully we can cancel this. As this would 
> have been my first time in South Africa, I have booked a pre-conference 
> tour for us, which I also cannot cancel without loosing a lot of money. I 
> am sure that I am not the only one who has such problems. <>
>  
> I do not know what you have expected. In my opinion I have expected in best 
> case 60 participants. What about the South African Mössbauer community? Are 
> they not involved or interested in this conference?
>  
> In principle such small conferences are much easier and cheaper than a 
> conference with 200 people. A small lecture hall at the university or even 
> a seminar room at the institute is enough. Coffee can be prepared and 
> served by students or secretary. This all is usually for nothing. By the 
> way ISIAME at Budapest was organized very well in that way. I never 
> understood, why organization of conference are nowadays always given to 
> some agencies and are hold in hotels, where you have to pay a lot for the 
> infrastructure.
>  
> You wonder that you have only 11 registrations up to now, but I have to 
> remind you that the deadline even for the early bird registration is July 
> 1st.  You had a long list of invited talks. I suppose that everyone has 
> confirmed to come. A cancellation of 2 is not large number.
>  
> I am not astonished that you could not find sponsors for this small 
> meeting. I only wonder that you seem to have calculated with sponsorship 
> money. Such money should never be part of the budget calculation. If it 
> comes, it should be used to support people to come to the conference.
>  
> In 2009 I have organized ICAME. We expected , due to preregistration 400 
> participants. Due to the economical crisis 2008, all sponsors and a lot of 
> colleagues cancelled their participation. At the end we had ca. 250 people. 
> Nevertheless we could run the conference, because with some reductions and 
> because in my budget I have only assumed 150 full paying participants. More 
> serious was ICAME 2011 in Japan, because after Fukushima nobody wanted to 
> come. For the organizers it was very serious, but they never thought on 
> cancellation of the conference.
>  
> It is also a very bad sign for future conferences. If one cannot trust, 
> that the organizer will do everything that the conference can take place, 
> many will be very cautious to plan a partizipation, even when invited.
>  
> I understand that you are disappointed about “no interest”. But there are 
> some people who were interested, who are now alienated. I would have 
> expected that you cancel your contract and look on really cheap solution, 
> eg. at the university, which can be covered by the registration fee.
>  
> Only to mention, there was a few weeks ago msms conference with only 30 
> participants. But people say it was very good program and interesting 
> discussions.
>  
> I hope this is not the end of the series of ISIAME conferences.
>  
> Best regards
>  
> Michael
>  
> Asoc.Prof.Dr.Michael Reissner
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> Von: Frans Waanders 
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> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2016 20:58
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> Betreff: ISIAME2016
>  
> Dear all
> It is with regret that I have to cancel the upcoming ISIAME2016 symposium 
> that was to be held in the Lagoon beach Hotel Cape Town
>  
> The main reason to me is the lack of interest;
> We have at the deadline for abstracts (today) only received 27 abstracts of 
> which 7 are to be presented as posters. I have extended the deadline for 
> abstracts with a month and only a few extra abstracts were submitted, 
> mainly in the last 2 days.  Some of the Invited speakers have not yet sent 
> any abstract and others have sent more than one but due to financial 
> constraints only one person can come and 2 Invited speakers have canceled 
> their contributions due to legitimate reasons. I used the mix email as well 
> as some 180 names I had on the lists of persons that attended ISIAME in the 
> past of which only a handful responded and I am trying to answers each 
> person that has sent an email regarding ISIAME2016
> At this stage we only have 11 paid registered persons for the conference.
>  
> The next problem is funding:
> Some people suggested that the conference venue is very expensive but the 
> request was made  in China that we should hold it in Cape Town and both 
> Raquel and myself looked for the cheapest option and clearly from the 
> registration fee it is not that expensive.  For the Pittsburgh Coal 
> Conference (to be held in August 2016 in Cape Town) the registration fee is 
> $800 and we have over 200 participants already from all over the world.  We 
> wanted more than 300 for this conference but clearly the economic 
> atmosphere must play a role.
>  
> Sponsorship:
> A successfull conference or symposium is based on sound sponsorship.  I 
> have obtained sponsorship from my own university (euro800) and from Sasol 
> the same amount and I used some euro3000 from my own research funding and 
> did not receive any sponsorship from overseas or Moessbauer industrial 
> persons.  I paid the initial deposit with this money and today was the 
> deadline of paying the next deposit or we will incur fines. We spoke with 
> the people from the venue and they were prepared to not charge us a fine 
> for cancellation and even suggested we reduce the amount of delegates to 40 
> without additional costs and cheaper rates - thanks to all the efforts by 
> Raquel. 
>  
> I had many discussions with Raquel who assisted me on the whole 
> organization of the symposium and it is her experience and my believe that 
> with 11 registered delegates to date we will not have even have 40 people 
> in the next month or so to have the symposium going further - let alone in 
> the next day!
>  
> I am thus very sorry for people who have already payed or booked flights 
> but the registration fees will be paid back as soon as possible
>  
> I am very sad to have made this announcement but I am not prepared or able 
> to carry any extra costs and I trust that everybody will understand my 
> reasoning and final decission
> Frans
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