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  • From: John G Stevens <stevensjohng AT gmail.com>
  • To: Frans Waanders <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>
  • Cc: raquel AT ap22ude.co.za, Frank Berry <berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>, Erno Kuzmann <kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>, Edson Caetano Passamani <edson AT cce.ufes.br>, haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch, sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn, Tao Zhang <taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>, JunHu Wang <wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>, lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu, Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl, aderbal47 AT gmail.com, robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl, Michael Reissner <reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>, vpopov AT imp.uran.ru, Guido Langouche <Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>, mix AT lists.kfki.hu, israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il, gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn, mosslab.kz AT mail.ru, Yutaka Yoshida <yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp>, lttt AT physics.by, Krish Bharuth-Ram <kbr AT saao.ac.za>, Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com, "Susan D. Forder" <S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk>, kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp, magnet AT uestc.edu.cn, amulaba AT uj.ac.za, klingel AT uni-mainz.de, ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de, massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it, Jean-Marc Greneche <jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr>, Jean-Claude Jumas <jumas AT univ-montp2.fr>, lippens AT univ-montp2.fr, jakub.navarik AT upol.cz, Libor Machala <libor.machala AT upol.cz>, Denes Lajos Nagy <nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu>, Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za, Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za, Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
  • Subject: Re: [Mix] ISIAME 2016
  • Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 00:10:44 +0200
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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Frans Waanders
> <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all
> Thanks for the support Frank.
> I have spoken today to Raquel again after virtually no contact
> possibilities the last week. I am in Namibia busy with a project and will
> have email contact on my mobile phone until tomorrow evening when I will
> be back with my student in the field.
> I fully support the idea to keep ISIAME going and will again highlight
> certain points mentioned previously
> 1. The venue is not the main issue but I had to cancel the Lagoon beach due
> to lack of funding. Raquel will look into other options when I am still
> away and will also liase with Krish about Ithemba labs, but I must mention
> it is some distance away and there is no accomodation at the labs and I
> think it might be difficult to get everyone there. The hotel costs he
> mentions is about the same but then we have to organize some transport to
> and from the venue.
> 2. To have a usefull symposium we need much more abstracts. With the
> initial deadline we had about 20 and with the extention only a few
> additional ones came in - that being the main reason for me to suggest
> cancellation. I am back on 10 July and if we have received at least a much
> bigger amount to make a worthwhile symposium possible I will be just as
> happy to get the wheels rolling. To have 30 or so papers (currently about a
> 3rd as posters) means a 1 day symposium which is just not on for all the
> expenses one has to pay.
> 3. At the early bird registration up to date only 11 people registered and
> we need more than 4 to 5 times this amount of registered people to again
> ensure a worthwhile symposium.
> 4. Raquel is going out of her way to assist and without her help it would
> not be possible to get the ball rolling again - thanks again.
> I trust this email will help to get everobody on board. It has never been
> my intention to not let ISIAME go on but I was dissilutioned with the poor
> respons for everything already done.
> Frans
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Berry
> <berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>>
>
> Date: 06/27/2016 10:59 (GMT+01:00)
> To: Frans Waanders
> <Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>>,
> Raquel Richardson
> <raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
>
> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>>,
>
> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>,
>
> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu
>
> <mailto:kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>,
>
> edson AT cce.ufes.br
>
> <mailto:edson AT cce.ufes.br>,
>
> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
>
> <mailto:haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch>,
>
> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn>,
>
> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>,
>
> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>,
>
> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu>,
> 'Stanislaw Dubiel'
> <Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl
>
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>>,
>
> aderbal47 AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:aderbal47 AT gmail.com>,
>
> stevensjohng AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:stevensjohng AT gmail.com>,
>
> robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl
>
> <mailto:robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl>,
>
> reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at
>
> <mailto:reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>,
>
> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru
>
> <mailto:vpopov AT imp.uran.ru>,
>
> Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be
>
> <mailto:Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>,
>
> mix AT lists.kfki.hu
>
> <mailto:mix AT lists.kfki.hu>,
>
> israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il
>
> <mailto:israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il>,
>
> gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn>,
>
> mosslab.kz AT mail.ru
>
> <mailto:mosslab.kz AT mail.ru>,
>
> yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp>,
>
> lttt AT physics.by
>
> <mailto:lttt AT physics.by>,
>
> kbr AT saao.ac.za
>
> <mailto:kbr AT saao.ac.za>,
>
> Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com
>
> <mailto:Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com>,
>
> S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk>,
>
> kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp>,
>
> magnet AT uestc.edu.cn
>
> <mailto:magnet AT uestc.edu.cn>,
>
> amulaba AT uj.ac.za
>
> <mailto:amulaba AT uj.ac.za>,
>
> klingel AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:klingel AT uni-mainz.de>,
>
> ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de>,
>
> massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it
>
> <mailto:massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it>,
>
> jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr
>
> <mailto:jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr>,
>
> jumas AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:jumas AT univ-montp2.fr>,
>
> lippens AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:lippens AT univ-montp2.fr>,
>
> jakub.navarik AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:jakub.navarik AT upol.cz>,
>
> libor.machala AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:libor.machala AT upol.cz>,
>
> nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu>,
>
> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za>,
>
> Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za>,
>
> Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za>
> Subject: [Mix] ISIAME 2016
>
>
> >>> "Frank Berry" 2016-06-27T11:59:00.805502 >>>
>
> ________________________________________________________
>
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>
>
>
>
> Colleagues
>
> I am writing because I am becoming concerned with the rhetoric of recent
> emails and the possible damage to the well-being of our community.
>
> I recognise the strength of feeling being expressed and do not in any way
> wish to diminish the validity of that feeling. I would also make clear
> that, after returning from MECAME on 6 June, I wrote to Frans explaining
> that, with regret, I would not be able to attend ISIAME .
>
> It seems to me that Frans has tried to fulfil the mandate given him to
> organise a successful ISIAME in a good location in South Africa but, at a
> crucial juncture , found the financial liability too great to continue.
> Colleagues who have made non-refundable financial commitments now face
> difficulties. Krish indicated last week the possibility of an alternative
> venue. Would Krish be willing to explore this and , in collaboration with
> Frans, find a way forward so that ISIAME could be held in South Africa on
> the dates originally planned?
>
> I would also like to suggest that we as a community give support to Krish
> and Frans in their attempts to find a way forward. This will not be easy
> for them and compromise by everyone might have to be accepted. I do not
> think that further expressions of blame will be helpful and I would
> encourage us all to act collegiately to resolve a situation which is
> difficult for many people, albeit in different ways. ISIAME led by Massimo
> has a good tradition and it would be most unfortunate if the current
> difficulties led to its demise and fractures amongst our community.
>
> With my kindest regards and best wishes
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> From: Raquel Richardson
> [mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
>
> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>]
>
> Sent: 24 June 2016 10:59
> To: 'Stanislaw Dubiel';
> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>;
>
> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu
>
> <mailto:kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>;
>
> edson AT cce.ufes.br
>
> <mailto:edson AT cce.ufes.br>;
>
> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
>
> <mailto:haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch>;
>
> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu>;
>
> aderbal47 AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:aderbal47 AT gmail.com>;
>
> stevensjohng AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:stevensjohng AT gmail.com>;
>
> robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl
>
> <mailto:robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl>;
>
> reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at
>
> <mailto:reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>;
>
> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru
>
> <mailto:vpopov AT imp.uran.ru>;
>
> Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be
>
> <mailto:Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>;
>
> mix AT lists.kfki.hu
>
> <mailto:mix AT lists.kfki.hu>;
>
> israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il
>
> <mailto:israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il>;
>
> gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn>;
>
> mosslab.kz AT mail.ru
>
> <mailto:mosslab.kz AT mail.ru>;
>
> yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp>;
>
> Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>;
>
> lttt AT physics.by
>
> <mailto:lttt AT physics.by>;
>
> kbr AT saao.ac.za
>
> <mailto:kbr AT saao.ac.za>;
>
> Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com
>
> <mailto:Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com>;
>
> S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk>;
>
> kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp>;
>
> magnet AT uestc.edu.cn
>
> <mailto:magnet AT uestc.edu.cn>;
>
> amulaba AT uj.ac.za
>
> <mailto:amulaba AT uj.ac.za>;
>
> klingel AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:klingel AT uni-mainz.de>;
>
> ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de>;
>
> massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it
>
> <mailto:massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it>;
>
> jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr
>
> <mailto:jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr>;
>
> jumas AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:jumas AT univ-montp2.fr>;
>
> lippens AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:lippens AT univ-montp2.fr>;
>
> jakub.navarik AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:jakub.navarik AT upol.cz>;
>
> libor.machala AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:libor.machala AT upol.cz>;
>
> nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu>;
>
> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za>;
>
> Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za>;
>
> Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za>
> Subject: RE: ISIAME2016/Stanislaw
>
> ISIAME Board Members
>
> There seems to be a lot of emails, blame and personal issues being thrown
> around. As a third party not prevalent to all the information, I stand to
> be corrected about ISIAME Cape Town 2016, but this is how the information
> is coming across.
>
> From my initial discussions with Frans, it was mentioned that at the last
> ISIAME a vote was taken and majority voted South Africa with the provision
> of majority attending. On this understanding, Frans set up ISIAME in Cape
> Town at the Lagoon Beach. Due to economic downturn and currently the
> reduction of number of attendants at most conferences / events, he
> confirmed the numbers at 100 x delegates, which should have been pretty
> easy to obtain.
>
> The concern is that not many people have registered or have shown an
> interest in attending. The Lagoon Beach hotel, agreed to cancel the
> booking without any cancellation fees if done so by mid-June. If Frans had
> not done so, there would have been cancellation fees into the hundreds of
> thousands of Rands… which I assume none of you would have been prepared to
> account for! Granted Krish has given an alternative venue, but there are
> numerous things to consider when hosting a conference, i.e. Affordable
> accommodation in the area? Getting to and from the venue? Quality of
> venue, suppliers, safety, etc. If South Africa is still a consideration,
> it is possible to re-evaluate the entire conference and see if its viable.
>
> From my limited understanding, numbers are not the only issue here. If you
> do not have quality and the correct quantity of abstracts and
> presentations, then your conference will not carry any value. Only a
> limited number have been received. As members of the ISIAME board, where
> is your cut-off point for the conference?
>
> As for you Mr Stanislaw Dubiel, you mention below the lack of response to
> your registration, however you only registered on the 15th June at 18h57pm
> and Frans sent the email out to cancel the conference shortly after.
>
> I’ve dealt with several conferences before and in my experience have not
> seen this type of disjointed animosity. I would have assumed as the ISIAME
> board members you would all come together to try come up with a resolution
> that would work for all.
>
> I am here to assist anyway possible with any travel / conference side of
> ISIAME.
>
> Kind regards
> Raquel Richardson
> Ap22ude (Pty) Ltd
> Cell: +27 82 509 6485
> Tel: +27 11 475 2750
> Fax: 086 593 7975
> Web: www.ap22ude.co.za <http://www.ap22ude.co.za/>
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> From: Stanislaw Dubiel
> [mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl
>
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>]
>
> Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2016 9:28 PM
> To:
> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>;
>
> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu
>
> <mailto:kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>;
>
> edson AT cce.ufes.br
>
> <mailto:edson AT cce.ufes.br>;
>
> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
>
> <mailto:haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch>;
>
> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu>;
>
> aderbal47 AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:aderbal47 AT gmail.com>;
>
> stevensjohng AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:stevensjohng AT gmail.com>;
>
> robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl
>
> <mailto:robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl>;
>
> reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at
>
> <mailto:reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at>;
>
> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru
>
> <mailto:vpopov AT imp.uran.ru>;
>
> Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be
>
> <mailto:Guido.Langouche AT kuleuven.be>;
>
> mix AT lists.kfki.hu
>
> <mailto:mix AT lists.kfki.hu>;
>
> israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il
>
> <mailto:israel.felner AT mail.huji.ac.il>;
>
> gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:gdzhbj AT mail.iggcas.ac.cn>;
>
> mosslab.kz AT mail.ru
>
> <mailto:mosslab.kz AT mail.ru>;
>
> yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp>;
>
> Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>;
>
> lttt AT physics.by
>
> <mailto:lttt AT physics.by>;
>
> kbr AT saao.ac.za
>
> <mailto:kbr AT saao.ac.za>;
>
> Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com
>
> <mailto:Lodya.Lodya AT sasol.com>;
>
> S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:S.D.Forder AT shu.ac.uk>;
>
> kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp
>
> <mailto:kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp>;
>
> magnet AT uestc.edu.cn
>
> <mailto:magnet AT uestc.edu.cn>;
>
> amulaba AT uj.ac.za
>
> <mailto:amulaba AT uj.ac.za>;
>
> klingel AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:klingel AT uni-mainz.de>;
>
> ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de
>
> <mailto:ksenofon AT uni-mainz.de>;
>
> massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it
>
> <mailto:massimo.carbucicchio AT unipr.it>;
>
> jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr
>
> <mailto:jean-marc.greneche AT univ-lemans.fr>;jumas AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:jumas AT univ-montp2.fr>;
>
> lippens AT univ-montp2.fr
>
> <mailto:lippens AT univ-montp2.fr>;
>
> jakub.navarik AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:jakub.navarik AT upol.cz>;
>
> libor.machala AT upol.cz
>
> <mailto:libor.machala AT upol.cz>;
>
> nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:nagy.denes AT wigner.mta.hu>;
>
> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za>;Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Gerrard.Peter AT wits.ac.za>;
>
> Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za>
> Cc:
> raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
>
> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>
> Subject: ISIAME2016/Stanislaw
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I do not know how Frans counts the paid-up attendees. In my case, I wanted
> to pay the fee several days ago (the deadline for the reduced fee is 1-st
> July) but no response received from Frans on the question on the bank
> account to which the money should be transferred.
> I can imagine that this was not an exception. Furthermore, many people have
> funds just for one foreign conference, so they have to make their decision
> on the choice of the conference well in advance. Unfortunately, the
> organisation of the ISIAME 2016 was very bad i.e. Despite Frans had 4 years
> to prepare the conference it was not sure until recently whether or not the
> conference will take place at all. So I do not wonder that the interest in
> the ISIAME 2016 was so low. Therefore, Frans is the only one who takes the
> responsibility for the failure. Now, instead of trying to co-operate with
> some people who want to solve the problem e. g. Krish, he buries his head
> into sand!
> It seems that he is unable to organise the ISIAME, so I suggest that we ask
> people from the Czech Republic (Olomouc University) to organise this
> conference next year (The wanted to organizes this conference this year,
> but the decision of the ISIAME Committee made in Dalian - 2012 - was
> (unfortunately) in favour of Frans).
>
> Greetings Stanislaw Dubiel
>
> Stanislaw M. Dubiel, MSc, PhD, DSc, FInstPhys
> Professor of Physics
> Faculty of Physics & Applied Computer Science
> AGH University of Science & Technology
> al. A. Mickiewicza 30, 30-059 Krakow
> Poland
> tel: +48 12 617 2973
> fax: + 48 12 634 0010
> e-mail:
> Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl
>
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT orion.fis.agh.edu.pl>
>
> >>> "Frans Waanders" 23.06.16 20:23 >>>
> Thanks for your effort Krish
> The venue is not the problem. Raquel even asked the price for 40 people and
> we had only 11 paid-up attendees at the time I had to decide.
> We have far to little abstracts and with less than 30 abstracts I still do
> not see the use of carrying on- I extended the deadline for abstracts with
> 1 month with hardly any additional ones submitted. Please do not blame me
> for this as I sent out various notes without response
> Krish I think nobody will want to travel every day to Ithemba labs making
> attendance even smaller.
> I am currently in Namibia at a mine with limited contact until 1 July
> I only had limited support from all and rather now people angry with me
> than a hopeless undersupported symposium
> Frans
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Krish Bharuth-Ram
> <kbr AT saao.ac.za
>
> <mailto:kbr AT saao.ac.za>>
> Date: 06/20/2016 18:43 (GMT+01:00)
> To: Frans Waanders
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>
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>>,
>
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> Subject: Re: AW: ISIAME2016
>
>
> >>> "Krish Bharuth-Ram" 2016-06-20T19:43:22.080483 >>>
> Dear Frans
> Following the email from Guido and Michael perhaps you may wish to
> re-consider the decision to cancel the conference.
> I had long ago suggested iThemba LABS as a venue, where we could have got
> the auditorium (able to seat 200) at no cost together with good space for
> poster sessions, as well a conference secretariat.
>
> I could call the Director tomorrow and discuss availability, etc.
>
> Please let me know asap.
>
> Kind regards
> Krish.
>
> On 2016/06/20 06:52 PM, Michael Reissner wrote:
> Dear Frans,
>
> I am sorry, but I cannot confirm that I understand your decision to cancel
> the symposion. A cancellation 1 year in advance might be ok, but not 10
> weeks before the start. For you the cancellation might be the easiest way,
> but you forget that people have paid a lot of money in advance, which they
> will not get back. E.g. I have paid the flight for me and my wife, who I
> wanted to take with me, some months ago. I cannot cancel this flight. I
> also booked the hotel for us. Hopefully we can cancel this. As this would
> have been my first time in South Africa, I have booked a pre-conference
> tour for us, which I also cannot cancel without loosing a lot of money. I
> am sure that I am not the only one who has such problems. <>
>
> I do not know what you have expected. In my opinion I have expected in best
> case 60 participants. What about the South African Mössbauer community? Are
> they not involved or interested in this conference?
>
> In principle such small conferences are much easier and cheaper than a
> conference with 200 people. A small lecture hall at the university or even
> a seminar room at the institute is enough. Coffee can be prepared and
> served by students or secretary. This all is usually for nothing. By the
> way ISIAME at Budapest was organized very well in that way. I never
> understood, why organization of conference are nowadays always given to
> some agencies and are hold in hotels, where you have to pay a lot for the
> infrastructure.
>
> You wonder that you have only 11 registrations up to now, but I have to
> remind you that the deadline even for the early bird registration is July
> 1st. You had a long list of invited talks. I suppose that everyone has
> confirmed to come. A cancellation of 2 is not large number.
>
> I am not astonished that you could not find sponsors for this small
> meeting. I only wonder that you seem to have calculated with sponsorship
> money. Such money should never be part of the budget calculation. If it
> comes, it should be used to support people to come to the conference.
>
> In 2009 I have organized ICAME. We expected , due to preregistration 400
> participants. Due to the economical crisis 2008, all sponsors and a lot of
> colleagues cancelled their participation. At the end we had ca. 250 people.
> Nevertheless we could run the conference, because with some reductions and
> because in my budget I have only assumed 150 full paying participants. More
> serious was ICAME 2011 in Japan, because after Fukushima nobody wanted to
> come. For the organizers it was very serious, but they never thought on
> cancellation of the conference.
>
> It is also a very bad sign for future conferences. If one cannot trust,
> that the organizer will do everything that the conference can take place,
> many will be very cautious to plan a partizipation, even when invited.
>
> I understand that you are disappointed about “no interest”. But there are
> some people who were interested, who are now alienated. I would have
> expected that you cancel your contract and look on really cheap solution,
> eg. at the university, which can be covered by the registration fee.
>
> Only to mention, there was a few weeks ago msms conference with only 30
> participants. But people say it was very good program and interesting
> discussions.
>
> I hope this is not the end of the series of ISIAME conferences.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
> Asoc.Prof.Dr.Michael Reissner
> TU Wien
> Institute of Solid State Physics
> Wiedner Hauptstrasse 8-10
> 1040 Wien
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>
>
>
> Von: Frans Waanders
> [mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za
>
> <mailto:Frans.Waanders AT nwu.ac.za>]
>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2016 20:58
> An:
> raquel AT ap22ude.co.za
>
> <mailto:raquel AT ap22ude.co.za>;
>
> berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk
>
> <mailto:berryfjz AT bham.ac.uk>;
>
> kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu
>
> <mailto:kuzmann AT caesar.elte.hu>;
>
> edson AT cce.ufes.br
>
> <mailto:edson AT cce.ufes.br>;
>
> haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch
>
> <mailto:haraldur.p.gunnlaugsson AT cern.ch>;
>
> sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:sunhui AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:taozhang AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn
>
> <mailto:wangjh AT dicp.ac.cn>;
>
> lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu
>
> <mailto:lazar.karoly AT energia.mta.hu>;
>
> Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl
>
> <mailto:Stanislaw.Dubiel AT fis.agh.edu.pl>;
>
> aderbal47 AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:aderbal47 AT gmail.com>;
>
> stevensjohng AT gmail.com
>
> <mailto:stevensjohng AT gmail.com>;
>
> haflidi AT hi.is
>
> <mailto:haflidi AT hi.is>;
>
> robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl
>
> <mailto:robi AT ifd.uni.wroc.pl>;
>
> reissner AT ifp.tuwien.ac.at
>
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>
> vpopov AT imp.uran.ru
>
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> mix AT lists.kfki.hu
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> yoshida AT ms.sist.ac.jp
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>
> lttt AT physics.by
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> kbr AT saao.ac.za
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>
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> kubuki AT tmu.ac.jp
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> Deena.Naidoo AT wits.ac.za
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> Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za
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> <mailto:Hilary.Masenda AT wits.ac.za>
> Betreff: ISIAME2016
>
> Dear all
> It is with regret that I have to cancel the upcoming ISIAME2016 symposium
> that was to be held in the Lagoon beach Hotel Cape Town
>
> The main reason to me is the lack of interest;
> We have at the deadline for abstracts (today) only received 27 abstracts of
> which 7 are to be presented as posters. I have extended the deadline for
> abstracts with a month and only a few extra abstracts were submitted,
> mainly in the last 2 days. Some of the Invited speakers have not yet sent
> any abstract and others have sent more than one but due to financial
> constraints only one person can come and 2 Invited speakers have canceled
> their contributions due to legitimate reasons. I used the mix email as well
> as some 180 names I had on the lists of persons that attended ISIAME in the
> past of which only a handful responded and I am trying to answers each
> person that has sent an email regarding ISIAME2016
> At this stage we only have 11 paid registered persons for the conference.
>
> The next problem is funding:
> Some people suggested that the conference venue is very expensive but the
> request was made in China that we should hold it in Cape Town and both
> Raquel and myself looked for the cheapest option and clearly from the
> registration fee it is not that expensive. For the Pittsburgh Coal
> Conference (to be held in August 2016 in Cape Town) the registration fee is
> $800 and we have over 200 participants already from all over the world. We
> wanted more than 300 for this conference but clearly the economic
> atmosphere must play a role.
>
> Sponsorship:
> A successfull conference or symposium is based on sound sponsorship. I
> have obtained sponsorship from my own university (euro800) and from Sasol
> the same amount and I used some euro3000 from my own research funding and
> did not receive any sponsorship from overseas or Moessbauer industrial
> persons. I paid the initial deposit with this money and today was the
> deadline of paying the next deposit or we will incur fines. We spoke with
> the people from the venue and they were prepared to not charge us a fine
> for cancellation and even suggested we reduce the amount of delegates to 40
> without additional costs and cheaper rates - thanks to all the efforts by
> Raquel.
>
> I had many discussions with Raquel who assisted me on the whole
> organization of the symposium and it is her experience and my believe that
> with 11 registered delegates to date we will not have even have 40 people
> in the next month or so to have the symposium going further - let alone in
> the next day!
>
> I am thus very sorry for people who have already payed or booked flights
> but the registration fees will be paid back as soon as possible
>
> I am very sad to have made this announcement but I am not prepared or able
> to carry any extra costs and I trust that everybody will understand my
> reasoning and final decission
> Frans
>
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