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  • From: "Laszlo E. Szabo" <leszabo AT>
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  • Date: Tue Nov 12 01:06:00 2002
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Eotvos University, Budapest
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Philosophy of Science Colloquium
Room 6.54 (6th floor) Monday 4:00 PM
18 November 4:00 PM 6th floor 6.54
Instead of the canceled lecture of 21 October!

Tamas Rudas
Department of Statistics, Institute of Sociology, Eötvös University, Budapest

Measurement and modelling of association in contingency tables

Association between two variables is defined in the talk as the information in their joint distribution not present in the univariate distributions. Therefore, a measure of association, together with the marginal distributions, has to parameterize the joint distribution and has to be variationally independent from the marginals. These requirements point to the odds ratio as the only appropriate measure of association.

For higher dimensional contingency tables, a possible generalization is the system of conditional odds ratios. The conditional odds ratios, on an ascending class of subsets, are variationally independent from the marginal distributions on the complement descending class and together parameterize the joint distribution. Depending on the class of subsets used, one obtains a flexible class of parametereizations that can be used to model the conditional association structure. The models obtained by assuming lack of conditional association on an ascending class of subsets are of the log-linear type.

The concepts discussed in the talk and the analyses based on these concepts suggest that association has a hierarchical structure. The assumption of multivariate normality, routinely applied in our thinking about multivariate data structures, is equivalent to assuming that only
first order interactions exist is therefore, is an oversimplification of reality.


The 60-minute lecture is followed by a 10-minute break. Then we held a
30-60-minute discussion.

The organizer of the seminar: László E. Szabó
<> (email:
leszabo AT

L a s z l o E. S z a b o
Theoretical Physics Research Group of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences
Department of History and Philosophy of Science
Eotvos University, Budapest
H-1518 Budapest, Pf. 32, Hungary
Phone/Fax: (36-1)372-2924
Mobil/SMS: (36) 20-366-1172

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